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Sleek-Jet

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,6:14 am

Post # 1

Who makes the best???

I need to order my piston rings on Monday and I was wondering, what eveyone's favorite is. I know alot of the engine kits you buy have Speed Pro (ie TRW) plasma moly rings.

I was looking at Total Seal conventional rings, a little more spendy, but I've heard good things about them. The gapless rings seem like snake oil to me, and I don't want to spend 200.00 on rings, so I'm stearing away from that course of action.

And while we're here. I'm ordering Cleavite bearings as well. They only make a couple series for the FE's. The engine had P series in it, and that is what I'm going to order. Can anyone explain the different Cleavite series?? You read the description and they are all for "High reving, high power" engines...lol... than why so many? I realize that each has it's own materials they are made out of. Just for my info more than anything else.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,8:07 am

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I always use SpeedPro moly file to fit rings for N/A motors, have never had a problem with them. The gapless is a waste for everyday stuff but if you want the max comp and if you run a blown motor that's the way I would go!..

Bearings are made for different applications. The "P" series is the general everyday bearing, the "H" series is if you have a large radii on the journals and the have a medium level eccentricity and high crush capacity and without flash plating for better seating!.. The "V" series is based on the Vandervel bearing which has a Tri-Metal construction, they will not flake and have a very high fatigue strengh and will not collapse under severe use and heat. The Indy guys would use those!..

Some interesting info on bearings, type "bearings" in the search!. :good

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Edited by GoFastRacer on Feb. 06 2005,8:17 am

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,8:19 am

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I'll probably go with Speed-Pro just for the fact I can mail order them and not have to pay sales tax.... and they are a little cheaper.

Thanks for the info on the bearings as well. :good

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,8:39 am

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You're welcome, when you get the block honed make sure you tell them what type of ring you're using!.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,9:23 am

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Quote (GoFastRacer @ Feb. 06 2005,9:39 am)

You're welcome, when you get the block honed make sure you tell them what type of ring you're using!.

I did... actually Larry asked.

I knew I was going to use a moly ring. :good

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,10:34 am

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I'm running SRP pistons in the yellow boat with Total Seal gapless file fits. The old rings never seated and the valve covers would have a mist of oil on them after a short run. When I put my new heads on, I tore it all down and put the new rings in. They pretty much sat by the time I was out of the no wake zone at Saguaro and haven't had a drop of oil on the valve covers since. Sure, they're a little more than a regular set of rings, but it's only money right??? :good

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,10:39 am

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Quote (jordanpaulk @ Feb. 06 2005,11:34 am)

.... but it's only money right??? Ã‚Â :good

That's what people keep telling me...

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,5:55 pm

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Quote (Sleek-Jet @ Feb. 06 2005,10:23 am)

Quote (GoFastRacer @ Feb. 06 2005,9:39 am)

You're welcome, when you get the block honed make sure you tell them what type of ring you're using!.

I did... actually Larry asked. Ã‚Â

Ã‚Â

I knew I was going to use a moly ring. Ã‚Â :good

Yeah Larry would, any GOOD machine shop will ask but a lot of them won't bother to ask and just do it the way they want to do it, then the guy puts the motor together(just assembles it, he don't know how to build one)and fires it up and the rings don't seat, of course he then blames the ring because he don't know any better and that sucks, should be a law against that!.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2005,5:57 pm

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Quote (Sleek-Jet @ Feb. 06 2005,11:39 am)

Quote (jordanpaulk @ Feb. 06 2005,11:34 am)

.... but it's only money right??? Ã‚Â :good

That's what people keep telling me... Ã‚Â

That's absolutely correct!..

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,5:34 am

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Quote (GoFastRacer @ Feb. 06 2005,5:57 pm)

Quote (Sleek-Jet @ Feb. 06 2005,11:39 am)

Quote (jordanpaulk @ Feb. 06 2005,11:34 am)

.... but it's only money right??? Ã‚Â :good

That's what people keep telling me... Ã‚Â

That's absolutely correct!..

Ã‚Â

Money

What's that???? :rolleyes

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,8:55 am

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Quote (jordanpaulk @ Feb. 06 2005,11:34 am)

I'm running SRP pistons in the yellow boat with Total Seal gapless file fits. Ã‚Â The old rings never seated and the valve covers would have a mist of oil on them after a short run. Ã‚Â When I put my new heads on, I tore it all down and put the new rings in. Ã‚Â They pretty much sat by the time I was out of the no wake zone at Saguaro and haven't had a drop of oil on the valve covers since. Ã‚Â Sure, they're a little more than a regular set of rings, but it's only money right??? Ã‚Â :good

What? You had something go wrong with one of your boats

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,10:40 am

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Actually, it was running so good and I wanted it to run even better so I upgraded parts. Decided while I was in there that I'd fix something that was a minor annoyance.

Put new heads on it, new intake, bigger carb, banderlog valve, ditched the OT headers as I heard that the through transoms were good for 5 mph, just stuff like that. :cool

Nothing was wrong. I took it apart and it was running great. Guess you wouldn't know anything about that huh??? :good

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,10:51 am

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Quote (jordanpaulk @ Feb. 06 2005,11:34 am)

. Ã‚Â The old rings never seated and the valve covers would have a mist of oil on them after a short run. Ã‚Â

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,11:00 am

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You must have missed the part where I said the boat actually RAN!!!! It was an inconvience that got less and less everytime out, but the important thing was it RAN!!!!. :good

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Posted: Feb. 07 2005,12:09 pm

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Mine ran also :banghead

Just determining how long they chose to run was the hard part :laugh

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Posted: Feb. 08 2005,4:41 am

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Quote (AZKC @ Feb. 07 2005,1:09 pm)

Mine ran also :banghead

Just determining how long they chose to run was the hard part :laugh

LMAO!..

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Posted: Feb. 08 2005,4:43 am

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Quote (BigBoyToys @ Feb. 07 2005,6:34 am)

Money

Ã‚Â

Ã‚Â What's that???? :rolleyes

Ã‚Â

Life!...

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Posted: Feb. 08 2005,8:22 am

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Quote (AZKC @ Feb. 07 2005,1:09 pm)

Mine ran also :banghead

Just determining how long they chose to run was the hard part :laugh

Yeah I guess when some of us choose to go several seasons versus several minutes, that's gotta be a real pisser huh? :rotflmao

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I was blessed with 5-6 seasons of hassle free trips so I guess I'm just playing catchup :break

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Posted: Feb. 08 2005,2:49 pm

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Think of all the wear and tear you're saving on an hour meter though. You can get by with an egg timer. :rotflmao

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Posted: Feb. 09 2005,4:43 am

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So KC, are we progressing??

Sleek may just get his done before you do at this rate!..

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Posted: Feb. 09 2005,7:04 am

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Scraping the stuff together to ck the piston to valve clearance. If I can put it together with the crap I have I'm good to go if I need parts its going have to sit for a while longer :break

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Posted: Feb. 09 2005,2:23 pm

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Quote (GoFastRacer @ Feb. 06 2005,5:55 pm)

[/quote]
should be a law against that!.

Ah yes....there IS a law against that! Its Newton's little known Fourth Law:

For every guy wanting to keep his machinery in motion there is an equal and opposite guy wanting to sell him something that will make him believe it will work.

Ref: See "Fuel Magnet"

It's a fact of Life:

After Monday and Tuesday, even the Calendar says : WTF .......

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Posted: Feb. 09 2005,5:45 pm

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So KC, are we progressing??

Sleek may just get his done before you do at this rate!..

All right fockers.... KC can go start his own thread...

I guess it's going to be Speed Pro rings, no one can find total seal rings for a 390...

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Did you try PAW Warehouse online.

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