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So got a little done towards building the next victim. I've determined piston to valve clearance has been the culpprit in the last two failures. So I have to get the heads ready to ck that out and I'll need the cam out of the DOA motor. First a little FoMoCo blue on the Cheby to match the block.

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Then clean up the rockers and stuff, this is where I found a small problem for of the rocker arm pivot balls have scoring with one of them missing a chunk :( first time I've seen damage to these over the years :stupid

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Roller rockers don't use those little nightmare pivot balls.   :)  :D  :good  :beer

And Ford blue on Chevy heads?  The engine is breaking itself out of spite for being cross-dressed.   :beer  :rotflmao

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So then I started tearing into the DOA motor to pull the cam, man this thing kicked my ass. Frikin flywheel/flexplate was a permenent fixture I was going to just leave it cause I don't need it right now but I decided to fight it off :break  well an hour later it was off and I didn't bend it in half like a taco shell :good . Get the front cover off, timing chain stuff, and start to slide the cam out and the fockin thing stops about 1/4 the way out. So I start looking and see a a piece of piston laying on the cam and its hitting the journal so I get that out of the way and the thing still won't come out. :banghead Dig a little deeper and see a bigger piece of piston hiding in there keeping the cam trapped hitting the dist drive gear. Pulled the rear cam freeze plug out to see if that helps get to the chunk, but no help there either :(  

And there we sit :rolleyes  going to get it up on a stand and get the pan off to see if that helps access the chunk. 3 day weekend coming up so I'll have a little extra time to give er a go ;)

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Roller rockers don't use those little nightmare pivot balls.   :)  :D  :good  :beer

And Ford blue on Chevy heads?  The engine is breaking itself out of spite for being cross-dressed.   :beer  :rotflmao

I run roller tip rockers :good , remember I'm not a big time baller like you :ass  :D . Speaking of rockers are 1.72 ratio stock spec.

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I run roller tip rockers :good , remember I'm not a big time baller like you :ass  :D . Speaking of rockers are 1.72 ratio stock spec.

Baller?  Because I'll spend a couple hundred dollars on some full roller rockers???  Don't you know I'm getting kicked on in another thread for some rings I spent more than that on.  Rockers were cheap.

As far as the stock ratio, 1.72 may very well be the factory stock, but pretty much everything in a full roller that I've seen for a BBC are either 1.7 or 1.8.  Comp makes some roller tip rockers that are a 1.72 for $150 in the latest Summit.  For $60 more you can get a set of full roller Harland Sharps.  For $40 more you can get a set of Crane Energizer full rollers.  Either way you get to ditch the rocker pivot balls.  :D

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I'm running the Comp roller tips, full rollers just seem like over kill on a 400 horse hydraulic cammed motor.  :stupid

I thought the ring dealio was long since done or is this a new chapter. And there are many levels of ballers :D

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I'm running the Comp roller tips, full rollers just seem like over kill on a 400 horse hydraulic cammed motor.  :stupid

I thought the ring dealio was long since done or is this a new chapter. And there are many levels of ballers :D

Overkill???  I thought that was the point of boats.  :D

As far as the rings, one of the Tucson crew decided to show how little he knows about my engine and post a bunch of assumptions in the other thread, where I thought it was long done as well.   :stupid   :rotflmao  :beer  

Seems as though you know much more about ballers than I do.  I was skipped over for the memo.  That must mean I'm not one.  :D

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Oh those rings :D , I was dredging up a past expeirence you had with another type of ring :eek  :stupid  :D

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Oh those rings :D , I was dredging up a past expeirence you had with another type of ring :eek  :stupid  :D

You do realize that fucktard was referencing the whole me/her454 thing that was pure make believe, kill time on the internet kind of stuff right?  The ring he was talking about was a hose clamp from the Rex Marine catalog.  Some people...   :D

On a different ring subject, I think I'm going to be selling one here soon.  She doesn't know what she wants and I'm over trying to figure it out.  3 carat total weight, 2 carat center stone.  Pretty baller worthy.  Appraised at a little less what I'm selling the Schiada for.   :D

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Nice Ice.  :good Sell that biatch and get that Harley :D

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Nice Ice.  :good Sell that biatch and get that Harley :D

I've got money for a Harley right now.  I'm thinking sell that and the black boat and have a big chunk of change for a down payment on the new big boat.    :D  :)

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Then clean up the rockers and stuff, this is where I found a small problem for of the rocker arm pivot balls have scoring with one of them missing a chunk :( first time I've seen damage to these over the years :stupid

Can't believe you ain't seen that before, I've seen it many times it even happened to me, it's even more common with balls without the slots. That's what happens when you buy those cheap Taiwan rockers in a white box, the heat treating is out to lunch on a lot of those. Another reason for that is not enough lube at break in, motor wasen't prelubed enough before start up!.. :)

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Roller rockers don't use those little nightmare pivot balls.   :)  :D  :good  :beer

And Ford blue on Chevy heads?  The engine is breaking itself out of spite for being cross-dressed.   :beer  :rotflmao

I run roller tip rockers :good , remember I'm not a big time baller like you :ass  :D . Speaking of rockers are 1.72 ratio stock spec.

Stock ratio is 1.7 but that's providing valve stem height is correct and you use aftermarket rockers, stock ones will vary quite a bit sometimes!..
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Roller rockers don't use those little nightmare pivot balls.   :)  :D  :good  :beer

The Comp Magnum rockers have the balls!.. :D
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Then clean up the rockers and stuff, this is where I found a small problem for of the rocker arm pivot balls have scoring with one of them missing a chunk :( first time I've seen damage to these over the years :stupid

Can't believe you ain't seen that before, I've seen it many times it even happened to me, it's even more common with balls without the slots. That's what happens when you buy those cheap Taiwan rockers in a white box, the heat treating is out to lunch on a lot of those. Another reason for that is not enough lube at break in, motor wasen't prelubed enough before start up!.. :)

Well they are Comp Magnum rockers, and they were coated in moly assembley lube and I pre-lubed the engine 3 times cause I was having trouble with my oil pressure gauge.  :stupid

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Roller rockers don't use those little nightmare pivot balls.   :)  :D  :good  :beer

And Ford blue on Chevy heads?  The engine is breaking itself out of spite for being cross-dressed.   :beer  :rotflmao

I run roller tip rockers :good , remember I'm not a big time baller like you :ass  :D . Speaking of rockers are 1.72 ratio stock spec.

Stock ratio is 1.7 but that's providing valve stem height is correct and you use aftermarket rockers, stock ones will vary quite a bit sometimes!..

Well Larry set the stem hieghts on these heads so I should be good there I guess. I just need to get my piston to valve clearance measuring handled and go from there :break  :D

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I just need to get my piston to valve clearance measuring handled and go from there :break  :D

Yes you do!.. :D  :good
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Well they are Comp Magnum rockers, and they were coated in moly assembley lube and I pre-lubed the engine 3 times cause I was having trouble with my oil pressure gauge.  :stupid

Well if you had oil coming out the pushrods when you prelubed it and they were coated with moly then I guess you just got stuck with some inferior parts!. :rolleyes
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Well I can't say that I had oil coming out the push rods :beat About how long would you have to pre-lube a motor to have that happen :stupid (and don't say untill it comes out the push rods :laugh ) I did it about 2 times for about 3 minutes, then 1 more time after I got the gauge working(80psi) and then a few minutes after that.

I'm going to ck with Comp and see if I can pull some warranty or something and have them replace the pivots. Also do they sell individual push rods or do ya have to buy a set?

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Looking at a decked block, milled heads, and 1.72 rockers and a .570 lift cam with 4* advance with flat top pistons. No wonder the valves were hitting  :banghead. How come I have to be the farthest apple from the tree :rotflmao

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Well I can't say that I had oil coming out the push rods :beat About how long would you have to pre-lube a motor to have that happen :stupid (and don't say untill it comes out the push rods :laugh ) I did it about 2 times for about 3 minutes, then 1 more time after I got the gauge working(80psi) and then a few minutes after that.

I'm going to ck with Comp and see if I can pull some warranty or something and have them replace the pivots. Also do they sell individual push rods or do ya have to buy a set?

Well it does take a bit to get the oil to come out the pushrods, never paid attention how long it took, :laugh  didn't care I just wanted to see oil flowing just like it's already been running. To do that you need to rotate the motor a 1/4 turn or so every few seconds so each lifter feed hole will line up with the oil passage, once I see a drool out of each one I figure it's good to go!. :good

Comp are pretty good about that stuff it's good for P/R!. The only thing is the rocker has to be replaced also since the ball and rocker was mated when broken in and it's not good to put a new ball in, similar to mixing lifters on a flat tappet cam!....If you buy direct from Comp you can get individual pusrods but I'd just buy a set and keep the others for spares, I always have some in the tool box never know when one might take a shit on ya, been there done that!. :laugh
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Looking at a decked block, milled heads, and 1.72 rockers and a .570 lift cam with 4* advance with flat top pistons. No wonder the valves were hitting  :banghead. How come I have to be the farthest apple from the tree :rotflmao

So what is the deck height on the pistons? is it .000, it should be for a good quench area(means more power). What pistons do you have? .570 lift is not that big a deal with flat tops with reliefs, how much was milled off the heads??!. :rolleyes The main concern I have is the cam, you say it was 4* advance, did you degree the cam before advancing it 4*???. Most cam MFG's put between 2 and 4 degrees in to compensate for the chain, now if you add 4* to that you could have up to 8* advance and that's looking for trouble. :eek That could have been part of your problem. Also you never rely on what they say it is, you need to degree it to make sure, I've taken quite a few cams back for that reason!..
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Rotating the motor while priming, what a novel idea :banghead That is something I've never done  :good

With me mixing and matching misc blocks, heads, and buying used stuff its been hard to keep up.  Thats why I'm taking your advice and measuring out everything this time.  :beer

Whats the procedure for measuring a head to see how much its been milled if you have no idea if its has or hasn't :stupid

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I'm taking your advice and measuring out everything this time.  :beer

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