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Post Icon Posted: July 07 2005,9:54 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
One of my bass fishing buddies just told me about this. I don't know how true it all is but, here is a link with an article.

http://www.bajogrande.com/canyonlaketruths.htm
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Post Icon Posted: July 07 2005,11:19 am Post # 2 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
Wow :eek The fishing in Apache has been off for the last few years. Didn't know about the ability to pump water back and forth between the lower lakes either. Roosevelts looking better and better. ;)

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After reading the story all I can say is that Chuck ought to stay the hell away from that lake..... :stupid

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Post Icon Posted: July 07 2005,6:20 pm Post # 4 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
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Didn't know about the ability to pump water back and forth between the lower lakes either.

We were on the beach at Saguaro one time and the current started going upstream and all the boats started pointed that way too.  Apparently they suck the water back up and then release it down again to generate power which baffled me.  Seems that it would take alot more power to pull the water back up than you could possibly generate letting it out.   :stupid  :D

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Oh hummm, time to go to the river!.. :rolleyes  :D  :laugh
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Post Icon Posted: July 07 2005,7:42 pm Post # 6 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
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Didn't know about the ability to pump water back and forth between the lower lakes either.

We were on the beach at Saguaro one time and the current started going upstream and all the boats started pointed that way too.  Apparently they suck the water back up and then release it down again to generate power which baffled me.  Seems that it would take alot more power to pull the water back up than you could possibly generate letting it out.   :stupid  :D

It's probably considered "peaking" generation.  They can pump the water uphill during off hours (late in the evening/early morning when power is cheap) and then generate power during peak times and sell it at a premium...

It also allows the thermal plants (coal fired and nuclear) spinning during lower demand time, they can use the excess power to pump the water back up.  It wastes alot of energy to change their output.

In the most simplist terms, since it's impossible to "store" electricity, pump storage allows the utilities to "bank" generation.  

Public Service Company of Colorado was the first to try this back in the 70's.

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Post Icon Posted: July 07 2005,7:45 pm Post # 7 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
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Didn't know about the ability to pump water back and forth between the lower lakes either.

We were on the beach at Saguaro one time and the current started going upstream and all the boats started pointed that way too.  Apparently they suck the water back up and then release it down again to generate power which baffled me.  Seems that it would take alot more power to pull the water back up than you could possibly generate letting it out.   :stupid  :D

It's probably considered "peaking" generation.  They can pump the water uphill during off hours (late in the evening/early morning when power is cheap) and then generate power during peak times and sell it at a premium...

It also allows the thermal plants (coal fired and nuclear) spinning during lower demand time, they can use the excess power to pump the water back up.  It wastes alot of energy to change their output.

In the most simplist terms, since it's impossible to "store" electricity, pump storage allows the utilities to "bank" generation.  

Public Service Company of Colorado was the first to try this back in the 70's.

Thanks for the explanation Sleek. :good  It makes sense now. :)  I was just as baffled as Jordy. :D





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They can pump the water uphill during off hours (late in the evening/early morning when power is cheap) and then generate power during peak times and sell it at a premium...

Great theory and all, but the water was running uphill in the middle of a summer afternoon and I know power isn't cheap then.   :D

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It depends on how the electricity is bought.  Whoever runs those pumps could have a firm contract to buy power at say .02 cents a kWH or so, but the power generated from the pumped water on the spot market it could be worth .20 or a 1.00 or more...

If it's a hot day and reserves are starting to run short in Cali... I guarantee that they can sell the power generated for more than it cost to pump the water up to the next damn.

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