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absolutely pisses me off! :angry

Judge: It's Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A federal judge ruled Thursday that it is unconstitutional to require a student to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

Judge Kenneth Ryskamp also ruled that a student does not have to get a parent's permission to be excused from reciting the pledge.

The American Civil Liberties Union :flamed sued the state Board of Education and state Education Commissioner John Winn on behalf of a Boynton Beach High School student who said he was disciplined for not standing during the pledge last year.

Cameron Frazier, then a 17-year-old junior, was told by teacher Cynthia Alexandre that he was "so ungrateful and so un-American" after he twice refused to stand for the pledge in her classroom Nov. 8, the lawsuit said.

Requiring Frazier to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance is "in violation of his First and Fourth Amendment rights," the lawsuit said.

The Palm Beach County School Board voted in February that students do not have to recite the pledge or stand for it, but the lawsuit was challenging a state law that says the pledge needs to be recited at the beginning of the day at all elementary, middle and high schools.

"This is a decision about freedom and freedom in America means your right to not recite the Pledge of Allegiance or your right to recite the Pledge of Allegiance," said Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida ACLU. "The impact that we hope this decision will have is that school officials begin to respect the conscience and dignity of young people."

Kathy Schroeder, a spokeswoman for the Florida Department of Education said the agency is disappointed with the ruling.

"Our attorneys are reviewing the ruling to see if any further action can be taken," Schroeder said.

Attempts to reach Frazier through his attorney Randall Marshall were not immediately successful.

As part of a settlement with the Palm Beach County School District, Frazier will get $32,500and Alexandre will be reprimanded in writing.


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Post Icon Posted: June 02 2006,10:02 pm Post # 2 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

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WTF are they giving him money for?  Waaaaa  :cry , I don't wanna stand for 36 seconds a day and the teacher called me un-American (which the little bastard is) so give me $32,500 for my pain and suffering.  This is why we need a draft, and that little punk needs to go first.  Teach him some respect.  And let him take Mommy and Daddy too.


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Post Icon Posted: June 03 2006,9:25 am Post # 4 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Quote (freddog @ June 02 2006,11:30 pm)
WTF are they giving him money for?  Waaaaa  :cry , I don't wanna stand for 36 seconds a day and the teacher called me un-American (which the little bastard is) so give me $32,500 for my pain and suffering.  This is why we need a draft, and that little punk needs to go first.  Teach him some respect.  And let him take Mommy and Daddy too.

I find it very offensive that this whiney brat is awarded any money at all for his inconvenience. :angry


Back in 1970, my first period teacher really laid into :fight and berated me :beat in front of the entire class because I was slouching instead of standing up straight during the pledge. I was mortified :( but he was absolutely right. I wasn't slouching out of disrespect to the flag, I was still sleepy :sleep at 7am.

The teacher was an ex Marine who fought among other places, Iwo Jima in WW II and had good reason to get in my face about it.

To this day I don't slouch during the pledge.
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Post Icon Posted: June 03 2006,9:32 am Post # 5 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

OK, This has gone far enough!! :angry  :beat  :break  :fight  :guns  :banghead

I've already signed to of those email petitions about the Pledge in schools...supposedly they were to be sent to the President! :rolleyes

What can we do to turn this around!???? :stupid

Those ACLU FOCKERS will have our kids bowing towards Mecca next!! :angry

I'm losing it. :guns


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Yep what a bunch of B.S. and it just keeps getting worse :angry I try to vote for people that appose anything un-American but allot of the time there are none. This focking d!ckhead just opened a big pot of $h!t and I'm sure we can expect it all to roll down hill. I am getting so disgusted with these frivolous lawsuits, what a waste of resources and good Americans nerves :angry  :angry  :angry  :angry


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THat does it, time for us to issue a good old fashioned HDF ass-whoopin'.  You guys remember those don't ya?































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Sort of.  Or at least an online ass-whoopin. :fouet

That's how the War Strategy Room forum got it's name.  That's where we made our ass-whoopin plans.  :guns  We had to tar and feather someone and it was even a chick. :rotflmao  


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Some pretty funny reading on page 9 of the "War Strategy Room"!!


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The whole notion that 1rst and 4th ammendment rights apply to minors in school is idiotic. What's next? Does the ACLU think they should be able to say what they want and talk anytime they want in class. Or keep whatever they want in their lockers?? :angry


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In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:.

"The Pledge of Allegiance" - Senator John McCain

As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from
these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was,as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.
Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a  commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval
Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who  want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem t! he most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically,and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.

That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept.. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.

As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that
flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance,you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world..

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,with liberty and justice for all."
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More crap. Unless parents start taking things into their own hands, the pissing on this country will continue. The first thing that needs to happen is principal issued ass whippings. I'm raising my boy to be respectful and courteous only to send him off to school with a bunch of savages. Also, the pledge in my area would need to be interpretted in spanish in order for most of the students to recite it. Which are the same students that should be required to say it every other hour in my opinion. We just continue to preach that nothing is sacred, there are no losers, no winners, just one huge population of people that dont give a shit about anything. We need a group of kids that hangs their own flag (which they paid for) every morning in their classroom and starts the pledge without the teacher's guidance. That would be nice, never happen though. Prayer is one thing, not giving allegiance to the coutry that's educating your dumbass is another!
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When I got home from camping and boating over the Memorial Day weekend, the first thing I did was put up my flags (one Americian the other a Revolutionary War Navel Jack) for the remainder of the day. Mine were the only flags up on our entire street. :stupid

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"Give Me Liberty, or Give Me Death..."  has really changed from whence our country was founded....

"Give Me Liberty, and Give Me Everything Else I Want, Else I'll Sue...."   :angry
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