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Post Icon Posted: July 29 2006,6:29 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

NTSB Says Pilot Intoxicated In Fatal Crash

MOHAVE VALLEY, AZ - A preliminary report just released by the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) regarding Sunday's plane crash in Mohave Valley says the pilot and his two passengers were intoxicated at the time the plane took off - after the three had a number of drinks at the Red Dog Saloon in Needles. The bar was owned by the pilot, John Lee, who was killed in the accident, along with his friend, Duane Cranney. (the other passenger, Greg Swain suffered serious burns and was taken to a hospital in Las Vegas.)
The NTSB also says "a flight plan had not been filed." An eyewitness who is also a pilot, was inside a nearby hangar at the Eagle Airfield, witnessed the three men taxi and thought the pilot may be a student by the way he was operating the aircraft. He told investigators, "that the pilot appeared to be preoccupied, as the airplane made erratic s-turns up the taxiway. The airplane veered from side to side varying in power settings, as it would increase and then decrease in speed.
A Safety Board investigator interviewed a bartender who was employed at the Red Dog’s Saloon, an establishment recently purchased by the pilot. She stated that pilot and rear-seat passenger had celebrated their birthdays together the day prior to the accident, by having a party at the Red Dog’s Saloon. The night of the party it was decided that as a birthday present to the passenger, the pilot would take him for a flight to see the Colorado River the following day.
The bartender further reported that the day of the accident, the pilot arrived at the saloon about 10:30am. He appeared to be in a good mood and refreshed; there was no evidence that he was hung over. While he was at the bar, she served the pilot two shots and two mixed drinks, and he never appeared to be intoxicated; the rear-seat passenger had about five drinks and was showing the affects of alcohol consumption. The front-seat passenger arrived that the bar about 30 minutes before the three of them left for the flight; she served him one drink and one shot. They all left the bar together about 1400 to 1500 and were picked up by a designated driver. The pilot indicated that the flight would be about an hour long.
Finally, the report reveals that a paramedic "could smell alcohol on the breath of the patient," that being the front seat passenger, who was treated for second-degree burns and found outside of the plane when paramedics arrived.
The investigation is still ongoing by the NTSB and a further report is forthcoming.


Great... :rolleyes   Gotta watch out for drunk drivers, drunk boaters, and now, drunk pilots... :beat
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Post Icon Posted: July 29 2006,6:35 am Post # 2 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Damn that sucks!.. :beat
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Post Icon Posted: July 29 2006,10:19 am Post # 3 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

:eek I'll be the survivor doesn't fly anymore!!  :eek


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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,8:45 am Post # 4 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Flying a  :plane sober is tough enough.  

I can't even imagine trying to fly inebriated.  :drink
Sad to hear about the loss of life.   Gotta love the NTSB though.  They relish in the fact and tend to make a big deal about a flight plan not being filed....  Like that caused the crash. :beat

Poor judgement aside, what really caused the plane to go down?  Hopefully the lone survivor of the plane crash will be able to tell the pilot's family what really happened that day,  rather than having to rely on some kaka-mami BS report from the Gov't. :guns  :guns
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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,9:20 am Post # 5 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

I don't know where the newspaper is getting their "information"

Here's the NTSB preliminary...

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IDENTIFICATION
 Regis#: 241JL        Make/Model: G36       Description: RAYTHEON G36
 Date: 07/23/2006     Time: 2309

 Event Type: Accident   Highest Injury: Fatal     Mid Air: N    Missing: N
 Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
 City: BULLHEAD CITY   State: AZ   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
 ACFT ON TAKEOFF, CRASHED, THERE WERE THREE PERSONS ON BOARD, TWO WERE
 FATALLY INJURED, AND ONE WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED, EAGLE AIRPARK, BULLHEAD
 CITY, AZ

INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   2
                # Crew:   1     Fat:   0     Ser:   1     Min:   0     Unk:    
                # Pass:   2     Fat:   2     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    
                # Grnd:         Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    

WEATHER: KEED METAR 232256Z 19005KT 10SM CLR 47/07 A2990

OTHER DATA

 Departed:                             Dep Date:    Dep. Time:      
 Destination:                          Flt Plan:              Wx Briefing:  
 Last Radio Cont:  
 Last Clearance:  

 FAA FSDO: SCOTTSDALE, AZ  (WP07)                Entry date: 07/24/2006



And everyone knows that the leading cause of airplane accidents is the pilot not filling a flight plan... duh...  :rolleyes


Edited by Sleek-Jet on July 31 2006,9:22 am


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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,10:09 am Post # 6 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

I was at the red dog this weekend...  And they handed me the article.  He has started a bunch of major improvements to the place and the area..  


But they didnt tell me that he was hammered... Drunk flyin is definatly no good :(

But FYI the bar is already up for sale if anyone is interested!!!


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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,11:24 am Post # 7 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Quote (Sleek-Jet @ July 31 2006,9:20 am)
I don't know where the newspaper is getting their "information"

Here's the NTSB preliminary...

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IDENTIFICATION
 Regis#: 241JL        Make/Model: G36       Description: RAYTHEON G36
 Date: 07/23/2006     Time: 2309

 Event Type: Accident   Highest Injury: Fatal     Mid Air: N    Missing: N
 Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
 City: BULLHEAD CITY   State: AZ   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
 ACFT ON TAKEOFF, CRASHED, THERE WERE THREE PERSONS ON BOARD, TWO WERE
 FATALLY INJURED, AND ONE WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED, EAGLE AIRPARK, BULLHEAD
 CITY, AZ

INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   2
                # Crew:   1     Fat:   0     Ser:   1     Min:   0     Unk:    
                # Pass:   2     Fat:   2     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    
                # Grnd:         Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    

WEATHER: KEED METAR 232256Z 19005KT 10SM CLR 47/07 A2990

OTHER DATA

 Departed:                             Dep Date:    Dep. Time:      
 Destination:                          Flt Plan:              Wx Briefing:  
 Last Radio Cont:  
 Last Clearance:  

 FAA FSDO: SCOTTSDALE, AZ  (WP07)                Entry date: 07/24/2006



And everyone knows that the leading cause of airplane accidents is the pilot not filling a flight plan... duh...  :rolleyes

Am I reading this wrong or does it say the 1 crew survived?


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It was 1 passanger, but they were in the right front seat (co-pilot seat), so it might have been noted as "crew"...


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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,11:31 am Post # 9 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Newspaper: "Finally, the report reveals that a paramedic "could smell alcohol on the breath of the patient," that being the front seat passenger, who was treated for second-degree burns and found outside of the plane when paramedics arrived.
The investigation is still ongoing by the NTSB and a further report is forthcoming.


Seems like the NTSB is no better than FEMA when it comes to sorting out what did and didn't happen.  :stupid


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Accident investigations take about 9 months to a year before the final report is finished.

The NTSB investigators make sure things like toxicology screens are done on the pilot and passanger(s), and every little piece of the airplane is gone over with a fine tooth comb.  

Even though it sounds like this guy was drinking, the cause of the accident might have something to do with the airplane as well... we'll have to wait and find out.

Last time I checked though, it was still legal for a passanger in an airplane to be drunk...


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Is It Legal To HaveAlcohol On A Private Plane??  :stupid


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Quote (Carrera Elite @ July 31 2006,11:53 am)
Is It Legal To HaveAlcohol On A Private Plane??  :stupid

Yep...  :good  

Just not legal for the pilot to ingest any...


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Definitely legal to have on-board.  Consumption by the pilot is another story.

Here's what the reg's say about drinking / flying / and carring passengers who are intoxicated... In case anyone is interested.  

Sec. 91.17

Alcohol or drugs.

(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any way contrary to safety; or
[(4) While having an alcohol concentration of 0.04 or greater in a blood or breath specimen. Alcohol concentration means grams of alcohol per deciliter of blood or grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath.]

(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.
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Quote (harddriver @ July 31 2006,1:25 pm)
Definitely legal to have on-board.  Consumption by the pilot is another story.

Here's what the reg's say about drinking / flying / and carring passengers who are intoxicated... In case anyone is interested.  

Sec. 91.17

Alcohol or drugs.

(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any way contrary to safety; or
[(4) While having an alcohol concentration of 0.04 or greater in a blood or breath specimen. Alcohol concentration means grams of alcohol per deciliter of blood or grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath.]

(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.

Holy crap! :eek

I gotta show this to my wife. We've got a neighbor who is a flight attendant.....no way are these rules adhered to! :stupid


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Post Icon Posted: July 31 2006,1:53 pm Post # 15 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

The big boys are governed by different regs, sec 121, 135, etc.  Most light aircraft GA ops fall under sec 91.
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