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Post Icon Posted: Oct. 21 2006,8:03 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

By Thomas Peele
CONTRA COSTA TIMES


California would require recreational boat operators to take a safety class and pass a test before being allowed on the water under draft legislation the Department of Boating and Waterways has made public.

The program -- if it becomes law -- would be phased in over eight years.

"This is really just a starting point. It is very, very fluid. Nothing is locked in," David Johnson, the department's deputy director, said Thursday.

The Times reported in July that an analysis of Coast Guard data of accidents on Northern California waterways showed that 88 percent were caused by boaters who ignore or don't know basic safety rules.

The draft bill, posted on the department's Web site, comes after public meetings in Los Angeles and Sacramento where boaters and safety advocates said they favored mandatory education.

The department is negotiating with three groups to sponsor the legislation, Johnson said. He declined to identify them until a decision is made.

Under the proposal:

• Anyone operating a boat with an engine of more than 15 horsepower, including personal watercraft, would be required to take a safety class and pass a proficiency exam. The boating department would specify the exam requirements.

• The training would be required for all boaters regardless of their experience.

• Boaters from other states would be exempt for 60 days provided they possess a safety certificate from their home state.

• People purchasing their first boat would have 60 days to pass the test.

• People renting a boat would be required to take an abbreviated safety class.

• The course and exam would be required to operate a sail boat more than 30 feet long.

• Violators could be fined as much as $500.

California is one of 13 states that does not require training to operate a recreational boat. The National Transportation Safety Board has targeted it for change.

Former Gov. Gray Davis vetoed similar legislation in 1999 -- an "unconscionable decision," Bill Gossard, the safety board's top recreational boating expert, said Thursday.

"You are losing a lot of lives in California unnecessarily," he said. "You'd be surprised how many people don't know the (safety) rules."

The Times reported July 2 that an analysis of Coast Guard data showed that 364 people died on Northern California waters between 1995 and 2004. There were 4,754 reported accidents during that time and 3,033 injured people.

Boaters who ignored or didn't know basic safety rules caused 88 percent of the accidents, according to the data.

Gossard estimated that mandatory education would reduce fatalities by at least one-third.

Johnson said he and other department officials support the concept of mandatory training but can't discuss specifics in any proposals until asked to give a formal opinion to the governor's staff.

Officials agreed last year to work with the NTSB on the first attempt to raise the issue since Davis' veto, Johnson said, but decided the process had to be "bottom up, not top down," which is why the Sacramento and Los Angles hearings occurred.

One of the "sticky wickets" in any proposal is what to require of boat renters, he said. "No one wants to ruin the tourist business."

Statistics show there is a "distinct problem" with accidents attributed to boat renters who lack knowledge or training in how to operate crafts safely, he said. The proposal in the draft law for abbreviated training before those boaters can leave a dock is a compromise designed not to cripple rental companies.

If comments on the draft law stay consistent with the input received at the public hearings, the talks with possible sponsors will go forward and a legislative author will be sought, Johnson said.

If comments run counter to the previous discussions, it is likely a third hearing would be conducted, he said.


A step in the right direction.... :good
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Post Icon Posted: Oct. 21 2006,9:10 am Post # 2 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Quote (shueman @ Oct. 21 2006,8:03 am)
A step in the right direction.... :good

I agree. It seems that there a lot of people on the water these days that have minimal knowledge of watercraft regulations and navigational rules. I have had people give me the finger when I was the "stand-on" vessel.  :angry


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I have passed the dept of waterways boater safty test and I have a certificate. I wonder if that is what they will use. The "class" is easy and it's free. You just send in a postcard (I got mine at their booth at the L.A. boat show). They send you a free book. In the back of the book there is a test. You simply take the test and send it back to them. Once you pass (you had better, because the answers are all in the book) the test they send you your certificate. It's free and easy and you keep the book as a good boating saftey referance.
Of course it's free now. But, knowing our state, you can bet once it's mandatory, there will be a fee.


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As much as I hate "The Man" being involved in every aspect of my life, I think that making sure a person operating a water craft knows the rules, is a good thing!!


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Quote (eliminatedsprinter @ Oct. 23 2006,1:18 pm)
I have passed the dept of waterways boater safty test and I have a certificate. I wonder if that is what they will use. The "class" is easy and it's free. You just send in a postcard (I got mine at their booth at the L.A. boat show). They send you a free book. In the back of the book there is a test. You simply take the test and send it back to them. Once you pass (you had better, because the answers are all in the book) the test they send you your certificate. It's free and easy and you keep the book as a good boating saftey referance.
Of course it's free now. But, knowing our state, you can bet once it's mandatory, there will be a fee.

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Would that mean that those of us who already took the courses, would need to take it again.  :stupid
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Quote (LASINC @ Oct. 24 2006,7:58 am)
Would that mean that those of us who already took the courses, would need to take it again.  :stupid

No one can say. The bill is not written yet.
My only hope is that they keep this within the dept of boating and waterways. If the DMV is involved, it will be a mess.


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If the Guberment has anything to do with it, it'll get messed up anyways......


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I'm all for the education of new and old boaters, but the gov't better not be adding some outrageous charges or fees.
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Best would be to tie it in with the registration.
Submit a copy of your certificate with the renewal.
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Best would be to tie it in with the registration.
Submit a copy of your certificate with the renewal.
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That's kinda what I was thinking as well....


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It's about time and I hope Arizona does the same...SOON!  And screw the rental businesses, they (rental boat and PWC operators) are the worst offenders and most dangerous people on the water.  Why should they be any different?  Would you rent a car to someone without a driver's license?  Sacrifice the safety of others to keep the tourist revenue up, that's brilliant.


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Quote (Carrera Elite @ Oct. 24 2006,11:26 am)
If the Guberment has anything to do with it, it'll get messed up anyways......

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Quote (freddog @ Oct. 24 2006,11:59 pm)
It's about time and I hope Arizona does the same...SOON!  And screw the rental businesses, they (rental boat and PWC operators) are the worst offenders and most dangerous people on the water.  Why should they be any different?  Would you rent a car to someone without a driver's license?  Sacrifice the safety of others to keep the tourist revenue up, that's brilliant.

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A good portion of the tickets I write go to rental PWCs, not only for unsafe operation, but also for insufficient safety equipment or registration violations.  If a rental company doesn't even take the time to put safety equipment on a boat or PWC, or even put registration numbers on both sides of the boat, who actually thinks that they will take the time to give a safety class to their customers before sending them on their way?  Screw the rental companies, I hope they all go out of business.  Sorry, but I'm sick of seeing the carnage layed out at the hands of uninformed, unskilled, reckless PWC operators, not to mention all the scars on the side of my patrol boat caused by their inability to control their vehicle.  What the heck, let's rent out Cessnas to unlicensed people with a five minute safety class beforehand to make up for the lost tourist dollars.  I can't believe some moron was stupid enough to justify compromising safety and human life for the sake of tourism.  Maybe a pay-per-view human sacrifice would make a few dollars and that jackass can be the first.

Rant over, for now.  Sorry, but kind of a sore subject with me, if you couldn't tell.


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I agree with your rant....Continue if you must..... :good  :D


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Alrighty, since you've extended the invite...How many people have had their experience at the lake lessened by rude, reckless, unskilled, uneducated, inexperienced boat or personal watercraft operators?  Have you ever gone to the lake with the intention of skiing, wakeboarding, fishing, or just cruising only to find the water too rough, traffic too dangerous, or just too crowded in an area due to these idiots spinning circles in the area or in a no wake zone, or going the wrong way causing the above mentioned rough water so you either stay away from the lake or just go beach somewhere to get away from it?  Have you ever been annoyed by the idiot trying to launch or load his watercraft and blocking three lanes of the ramp for 20 minutes?  Sorry if I sound elitest but if you can't afford a boat and have to rent one, then you should at least either get some instruction beforehand so you minimize those issues, or you should go with someone who is experienced to guide you in the right direction and take the time to learn from that person.

Second, this David Johnson is the Deputy (he shouldn't be allowed to use that word in his title, its an insult) Director of the California Department of Boating and Waterways, not the Board of Tourism.  His primary emphasis should be on the safety of the people using those waterways.  I would venture to guess he was placed in that position as a political favor, not by his merits.  Someone in that position has a responsibility to present the facts backing a reasonable mandatory safety baseline that ALL boaters should abide by.  He's obviously never seen the aftermath or consequenses of a boating accident and is merely a political puppet to the governer and state legislature, afraid to step on the wrong toes for fear he will have to go back to flipping burgers.  Maybe I should take him on the next dive mission and let him get his hands dirty pulling in a body thats been sitting on the bottom of the lake for a few days.  Or just show him the pictures I have of the Kansas woman (one of those beloved tourists) who was chopped up by the prop of a rental pontoon boat at Apache this year.  It's one thing to have a hidden agenda to protect the tourist industry, it's another to be stupid enough to tell the media that your department is willing to sacrifice a few lives to make a few more dollars.

Third, why should boat OWNERS, who generally have more experience, have obviously committed much more time and money into this recreation of choice, and are operating a vessel that they are more familiar with and on a waterway that they are probably more familiar with, be held to a MORE stringent standard than someone who is probably operating a watercraft for the first time, and is completely unfamiliar with that particular watercraft and the way it operates, the way it has been maintained, the location or availability of its safety equipment, and probably the waterway where they intend to operate it?  If anything, it should be quite the opposite, but in reality, we should all be held to the same high standard, given the risk of the activity.

Now the positive side...job security for me, more dive missions for me (the dives are fun, the mission and result are not), more overtime for me, and cleansing of the gene pool (however unfortunate for the innocent ones taken out by the genetically challenged).


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Good rant!. :good
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Well said, Fred....  :bowdown  :grouphug   :good
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I agree with you Freddog!

Hey.....Maybe they should put you as Deputy Director?   :good
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That Need To Be Sent To The Governor!! You Have Hit The Topic Hot Spots!! :good  :good


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YAY!!!! :jumpie  :jumpie  :jumpie
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I respectfully decline your nomination as I modestly believe that I posess entirely too much integrity to hold either of those political positions to the degree or in the manner that the citizens of California have become accustomed to, based on past and present incumbents.

Oh what the hell, write me in, I've already mastered the political double-talk.


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I respectfully decline your nomination as I modestly believe that I posess entirely too much integrity to hold either of those political positions to the degree or in the manner that the citizens of California have become accustomed to, based on past and present incumbents.

Oh what the hell, write me in, I've already mastered the political double-talk.

I don't know if you qualify....you can say California!!  :laugh  :rotflmao  :laugh


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Quote (freddog @ Oct. 27 2006,11:43 pm)
I respectfully decline your nomination as I modestly believe that I posess entirely too much integrity to hold either of those political positions to the degree or in the manner that the citizens of California have become accustomed to, based on past and present incumbents.

Oh what the hell, write me in, I've already mastered the political double-talk.

I don't know if you qualify....you can say California!!  :laugh  :rotflmao  :laugh

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