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Post Icon Posted: Mar. 13 2007,9:44 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Stricter exhaust emission regulations for California in 2008

By IBI Magazine

The state of California has announced it will introduce a new, more stringent set of exhaust emission regulations for sterndrive and inboard (SD/I) gasoline marine engines beginning January 1, 2008.

Under the new regulations, the state will require all boats outfitted with gasoline SD/I engines manufactured after January 1, 2008, to be equipped with catalyst technology.

The only exceptions to the rule will be 4.3L and 8.1L engines manufactured by General Motors (GM will stop producing these models after 2009) and some phased-in Indmar engines (the company began its phase-in programme this year). Engine manufacturers are also required to certify their engines meet the appropriate model year emission standards with the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

The National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) is encouraging all parties in the SD/I distribution channel - including boatbuilders, engine manufacturers and boat and engine retailers - to understand their individual responsibilities and liabilities associated with the ruling.

"Unlike previously enacted outboard engine and personal watercraft emission regulations, which placed the compliance burden exclusively on marine engine manufacturers, the compliance burden and liability for the SD/I regulation will be shared between the dealer, boatbuilder and engine maker," said John McKnight, NMMA director of Environmental Safety and Compliance.

Another regulation recently adopted by the state of California, which took effect on January 1 this year, requires boatbuilders (with the exception of those using Indmar engines) to install a low permeation fuel hose between the fuel tank and the engine on boats with engines built after the first of the year. The hose must be marked A1-15.

Both the American Boat and Yacht Council (ABYC) fuel systems standard and the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) J1527 fuel hose test methods have been updated to reflect these changes.

California stipulates engine manufacturers must inform boatbuilders when low permeation hose installation is necessary. It then becomes the boatbuilders' responsibility to install the hose and the dealership's responsibility to ensure all boats sold in California with SD/I engines built after January 1, 2007, have low permeation fuel hoses attached.

Marine retailers are, however, still allowed to continue selling boats with engines manufactured prior to January 1, 2008, as the CARB regulations do not impose a sales date deadline for regulated SD/I engines.


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I guess that means my '78 is still safe. :D






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Post Icon Posted: Mar. 13 2007,11:22 am Post # 3 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

I just keep waiting for the ax to drop on my old 2 stroke. Even though there are not enough of us left around here in So Cal to do any real harm.


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Post Icon Posted: Mar. 13 2007,11:33 am Post # 4 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

I still want to know why some guys have to have mufflers and then there are guys running wide open with nothing..?

on the same water?


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It was just a matter of time before CARB hit this industry.
Wonder if some of the west coast builders move to AZ?


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Post Icon Posted: Mar. 13 2007,5:05 pm Post # 6 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 13 2007,4:35 pm)
It was just a matter of time before CARB hit this industry.
Wonder if some of the west coast builders move to AZ?

And Not Sell To Cal.?? :stupid  Or Just Build Those Special?? :stupid


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There is an article About This Topic In this months Hot Boat Magazine (Yes They Have One)......


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Post Icon Posted: Mar. 13 2007,5:32 pm Post # 8 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Quote (Carrera Elite @ Mar. 13 2007,5:05 pm)
Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 13 2007,4:35 pm)
It was just a matter of time before CARB hit this industry.
Wonder if some of the west coast builders move to AZ?

And Not Sell To Cal.?? :stupid  Or Just Build Those Special?? :stupid

Yamaha was doing that with those older 2-strokes they MFG'd....like the one I had... :rolleyes
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Quote (Carrera Elite @ Mar. 13 2007,4:05 pm)
Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 13 2007,4:35 pm)
It was just a matter of time before CARB hit this industry.
Wonder if some of the west coast builders move to AZ?

And Not Sell To Cal.?? :stupid  Or Just Build Those Special?? :stupid

Maybe, I couldn't say how many they sell that stay just in CA. vs. out of state but it would stifle the need to comply with Carb if they simply register them in Az.
This will be hard to regulate IMO for CARB because of "usage percentage".
Too much Gray area that will be challanged I'd think.


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Will the move to Bio Fuels / Ethanol eliminate the need for "converters" and other emissions type hardware...??  :confused
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Will the move to Bio Fuels / Ethanol eliminate the need for "converters" and other emissions type hardware...??  :confused

It does in cars!..
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I'd Like to See A Cat. Converter On A Boat......  :stupid


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Quote (shueman @ Mar. 13 2007,7:21 pm)
Will the move to Bio Fuels / Ethanol eliminate the need for "converters" and other emissions type hardware...??  :confused

It does in cars!..

Awesome....the channel will smell like  :drama then.... :rotflmao  :good  :beer
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Quote (Carrera Elite @ Mar. 14 2007,8:08 am)
I'd Like to See A Cat. Converter On A Boat......  :stupid

I wouldn't, those things get hot.. If I remember correctly the coast gaurd told the idiots at the C.A.R.B. that it wasn't a good idea to put something as hot as a C. converter in the bilge of a boat. But they went ahead and recommended the reg anyways.
These new regs were passed despite the fact that the coast gaurd said they would compromise boaters safety and the evironmental studies have shown the contribution to air pollution from boating is negligible.
The bottom line is that the folks on the C.A.R.B. are mostly a bunch of leftist hacks that don't much care for folks like us, who like to burn gas.
Oh well, the bright side is Evenrude's E-Tec 2 strokes meet the emmission standards up through 2012. This should be great for their sales. I know what I would choose if I had a choice between a marine automotive motor with a C. converter in it's bilge or a clean burning 2 stroke hung out on the back... :cool


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The High Temp. Is What Makes A Cat. Conv. Work. Inboard Board Boats Are Supposed To Have Water Through The Exhaust To Cool It And To Help Muffle It....


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Quote (Carrera Elite @ Mar. 14 2007,1:15 pm)
The High Temp. Is What Makes A Cat. Conv. Work. Inboard Board Boats Are Supposed To Have Water Through The Exhaust To Cool It And To Help Muffle It....

Exactly, and all technologies fail at some time or another..... :eek  :angry


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