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The monsoon is back
T-storms may not have reached Havasu, yet — but unseasonably cooler temps have crept into the area

By Diana Parker
Monday, June 15, 2009 8:11 PM MST


Monday marked the first “official” day of the monsoon, but those who watch weather in the Lake Havasu City area were more interested in a pattern of unseasonably cool weather that has kept high temperatures 10-15 degrees below normal for the past 10 days.

Clay Morgan of the National Weather Service in Las Vegas said the recent pattern is “like something we might see in April” though with warmer temperatures because of the angle of the sun.

“It’s unusual — not unprecedented but unusual,” Morgan said.

Doyle Wilson, water resources manager for the city of Lake Havasu City and local weather aficionado, described this spring’s weather as “kinda strange.”

“The (polar) jet stream normally in May starts to go north into Canada ... In May it went up then in June it slipped back down,” Wilson said.

That backtrack was reflected in daytime temperatures climbing into the 100s in early May and staying there until early June when they dropped back into the 90s and even the high 80s.

For other parts of the country the jet stream’s slippage lead to unseasonable weather events, Wilson said.

“We got lucky. We’ve been riding the sub-100s for some time,” Wilson said.

The stretch of cool temperatures in the region is notable enough that the National Weather Service was prompted to put it in historical perspective.

A June 13 press release out of the Phoenix office says that the current streak of consecutive sub-100-degree June days is approaching records set in the late 1800s and early 1900s. If this stretch ends on Thursday as forecast, it will compare to streaks seen in 1942, 1954, 1967 and 1971. The most recent long stretch of sub-100-degree June days occurred in 2005 with 10.

Experts say the June 15 start for the monsoon, which was devised for southeastern Arizona, doesn’t really apply to our area.

“For Phoenix it’s OK, but for us that’s a little early,” Wilson said. “On the average, the second week in July usually marks the initiation of (the monsoon), though last summer it did start in the first part of June and that monsoon went on a long time.”

Technically the beginning of monsoon is indicated by five days in a row in which the dew point temperature is 55 degrees or above, Wilson said.

Laypeople will have an idea that the monsoon has arrived or is on its way when their evaporative coolers stop being effective, which typically happens when the dew point temperature is in the low 40s, according to Wilson.

Morgan said there’s no longer-term way of predicting when the monsoon will be in an area. Meteorologists have some ability to predict it in the short term, such as a week out, by observing air flows.

There are no indications of monsoon for Lake Havasu City in the next week, Morgan said Monday.

Instead, after warming at the end of the week, another low-pressure system over the weekend could keep temperatures slightly below normal Saturday and Sunday, Morgan said.

“There’s some chance that low-pressure could — I’m not saying will but could — be the last one,” he said.


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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.
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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

I always thought monsoon season was later in the summer...mid Julyish and on.  When we had all those wacky T-storms in SoCal a couple weeks ago the weathercasters were saying it was monsoon season..at the end of May. :stupid


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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

Without the blazing temps we usually get in June, the thermal low can't set itself up and start pulling moisture in from the gulf.


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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

I always thought monsoon season was later in the summer...mid Julyish and on.  When we had all those wacky T-storms in SoCal a couple weeks ago the weathercasters were saying it was monsoon season..at the end of May. :stupid

Yep you're right, on the average it starts mid July and ends mid September, but it has started early and late maybe that's the reason they put a date on it, who knows with those weather guessers!... :rolleyes
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Quote (GoFastRacer @ June 16 2009,7:24 am)
Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

Without the blazing temps we usually get in June, the thermal low can't set itself up and start pulling moisture in from the gulf.

That's right but it is starting to warm up, should be 114 by the end of the month!..
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Quote (GoFastRacer @ June 16 2009,7:24 am)
Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

Without the blazing temps we usually get in June, the thermal low can't set itself up and start pulling moisture in from the gulf.

That's right but it is starting to warm up, should be 114 by the end of the month!..

... maybe...


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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

Right now it's raining in Havi. :banghead


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Last year they changed and put a date to date on the season, but it don't actually start till the dew point is 55 for 3 days straight, and right now it's still bone dry!.

Without the blazing temps we usually get in June, the thermal low can't set itself up and start pulling moisture in from the gulf.

That's right but it is starting to warm up, should be 114 by the end of the month!..

... maybe...

According to the weather guessers it's supposed to!.. :rolleyes

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Quote (GoFastRacer @ June 16 2009,7:59 am)
According to the weather guessers it's supposed to!..

Weather guessers  :laugh I like that.
I wish I could be like them and be consistently wrong at my job and still have a job.  :)


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According to the weather guessers it's supposed to!..

Weather guessers  :laugh I like that.
I wish I could be like them and be consistently wrong at my job and still have a job.  :)

Skip the weather crap. Set higher goals. Hell, if your looking for a job where you can just guess at averything, and you get to keep your job no matter how much you guessed wrong, you could be President of the U.S. :eek


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Skip the weather crap. Set higher goals. Hell, if your looking for a job where you can just guess at averything, and you get to keep your job no matter how much you guessed wrong, you could be President of the U.S. :eek

:eek  :rotflmao  :rotflmao


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I like Monsoon Season.


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I like Monsoon Season.

Is that a new Canadian brew. :stupid You can't be talking about weather. :beat


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Is this Monsoon thing your talking about part of Global warming or climate change or what ever they are calling these days. Is it something like my winter where the weather is always yucky.


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Is this Monsoon thing your talking about part of Global warming or climate change or what ever they are calling these days. Is it something like my winter where the weather is always yucky.

No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.


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No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.

Thank you Cliff Claven. j/k  :D :D  Could not resist.  :laugh


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Is this Monsoon thing your talking about part of Global warming or climate change or what ever they are calling these days. Is it something like my winter where the weather is always yucky.

No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.

And don't forget about those peechy dandy dust storms also!.. :banghead  :banghead  :rolleyes
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You talkin about the 10 sprinkles "after" the dust storm!.. :banghead  :laugh
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Don't You Meen "Mud Storm"??

You talkin about the 10 sprinkles "after" the dust storm!.. :banghead  :laugh

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No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.

Thank you Cliff Claven. j/k  :D :D  Could not resist.  :laugh

Iiiiiit's a little known fact that some of the worst monsoon storms are called Haboobs.....naw really Norm!

In fact several years ago a weatherman was fired when showing video of two of these storms approaching PHX from the southeast.......

....."Check out this video, now that's a really nice looking pair of Haboobs approaching from the south-east..."

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No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.

Thank you Cliff Claven. j/k  :D :D  Could not resist.  :laugh

Iiiiiit's a little known fact that some of the worst monsoon storms are called Haboobs.....naw really Norm!

In fact several years ago a weatherman was fired when showing video of two of these storms approaching PHX from the southeast.......

....."Check out this video, now that's a really nice looking pair of Haboobs approaching from the south-east..."

:laugh

Here's what they look like in Tucson...... :D





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[quote=Sleek-Jet,June 18 2009,6:58 am]No... Monsoon season happens every summer here in the desert southwest.  The high temps set up what's called a "Thermal Low" which pulls moisture in from the Gulf of Mexico.  The higher temps and higher dewpoint are the perfect combination for Thunderstorms to form.  When they really get going we'll have 6 to 8 weeks of daily thunderstorms and rain showers.  Here in Tucson, the average rainfall is something like 6 inches a year, with the majority of that comming down during Monsoon season.

For years there was debate that North America actually experienced a Monsoon such as found in the Asian sub-continent.  Several years ago the big thinkers finally decided that it was a true monsoon, and not just mislabled thunderstorm activity.  The key is the reversal of the prevailing winds from a westerly to an easterly wind.

NOAA has some good reading on the subject.

Thank you Cliff Claven. j/k  :D :D  Could not resist.  :laugh

Iiiiiit's a little known fact that some of the worst monsoon storms are called Haboobs.....naw really Norm!

In fact several years ago a weatherman was fired when showing video of two of these storms approaching PHX from the southeast.......

....."Check out this video, now that's a really nice looking pair of Haboobs approaching from the south-east..."

:laugh

Here's what they look like in Tucson...... :D




I'm thinkin I need to visit Tucson before Haboob season ends!


Edited by gearhead on June 21 2009,12:22 am


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