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Post Icon Posted: April 23 2007,8:50 am Post # 101 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Got it wet Saturday, and as I figured, it's a bizarre ride. It wasn't scary or anything, but if you're used to a bottom with any V to it, it'll get your attention.
I didn't play with the cav plates too much as I was more concerned with getting a feel for the boat, taking care of minor leaks, tightening loose fasteners, etc. I was pleased it fired up and ran pretty well right off the trailer. Didn't have to touch the carb or timing. The carb is a vacuum sendary Holley 750 I built from spare parts I had in the garage. It was one I experimented with milling the airhorn on a couple years ago when I was bored. Added a secondary metering plate and a couple custom J tubes and that was about it.
Launched off the beach Saturday and took her out. Pretty flat water, so I just made laps upriver and back getting the feel for it, and giving it a little more each pass. First off, it's weird seeing the discharge from the nozzle up so high! It creates a pretty big wake until it gets on plane. A little unnerving, cuz it doesn't have much freeboard. From a dead stop it'll move quick and the 390 has plenty of torque to get it out of the hole. Once you're moving just a little throttle gets you on plane and that's when the "fun" starts. There's a certain feel to a V hull.... a stability, that you don't have with this. Like I said, it's not unsafe, just really different. Once on plane, it likes to hunt (if you've driven dragsters you know what I mean). DON'T turn the wheel and expect to turn. You drive this with your foot... even more than a normal jet.

With the GPS in hand, I accelerated while staying in the primaries. Looked down....44.3. Hmmm, not bad, but it has a little bog I need to adjust out. It was time to open the secondaries, and all I can say is I'm VERY happy with the power that the 390 puts out. So much so that when the secondaries open up, the pump cavitates it's ass off! The way it's set up now, it's just on the verge of unloading the pump at speed and when I put some power to it it blows out. It was running 40 at around 3300 and when I nail it, it hits over 4500 but stops accelerating. Oh, and yes a moderately choppy surface unloads the pump pretty hard.
Crossing wakes is another fun exercise. I have a LOT of setup work to do on it, but I know I have at least another 10-15 mph in it just if I can keep the pump loaded. At some point I'm going to have to consider making a loader, but that'll happen after I get the setup dialed in. Now I just have to figure out HOW to dial it in!
All in all, it was a great project and it really is a ton of fun to drive. I love the hydroplaning (as opposed to "cutting" water like a V) feel it has, and the bottom slapping the water when it's on plane and wants to bring the nose up. Truly fun ancient stuff.


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Post Icon Posted: April 23 2007,11:30 am Post # 102 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Glad to hear that it ran well, now the real expementing begins!! :good  :D


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Post Icon Posted: April 23 2007,4:53 pm Post # 103 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

i know it sure LOOKS GREAT... and like a hell of a fun ride.

that was a good time....

i didnt think about that, but if you slow down too fast you would take on some water huh...?

seems like it would have a fan boat feel to the ride...   :stupid
with the flat bottom, again... i dont know jack about jets.

but me and Tracey and the kids all had a great time...  :good  :D


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Post Icon Posted: April 24 2007,8:28 am Post # 104 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

We had a great time as well. I would have like a little better weather and a little more water time, but still a great time.
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Sounds like a "wild" fun ride... :good   Congrats again on a beauty... :cool
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Well, it's home again. Got more seat time in it yesterday. Packed up the family, chairs and cooler and hit the river thinking the traffic would be less on a Sunday. No. Also though with 4 people, the chairs, and the cooler the intake would stay loaded. No. Even dropped the plates one turn to push the bow down. No. I have to pull the motor and replace the rear main seal, so I'll have some time to play with it. Like add billet rocker shaft end stands... and a Mallory Unilite I've had for it... and the teak for the side steps... and..... :beat
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Post Icon Posted: June 11 2007,2:18 pm Post # 108 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

What can be done so that the intake will stay loaded??


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I'm thinking I need a custom made loader made for it. This intake isn't like the "new"(?) ones, so the only pattern to use is the rock grate on it now. In the mean time, I'm going to try raising the plates in the hopes it's will help lower the transom (and intake) and keep it loaded. I think I'm pretty much on my own dialing this thing in, so I may need to spend a week out at the river trying different settings.  :jumpie
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Sounds like you are not looking forward to spending a week at the river.... :laugh


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I've been itching to get out there for more than 2 or 3 days at a time. The only bummer about being at the river solo and working on the boats is if something breaks, there's no help paddling to shore!
I pulled the H bar out last night and fired it up. Damn shame I have to pull it out and work on it because it runs so well and sounds great.
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After dealing with it's little eccentricities (blowing out the pump when I open the secondaries and unloading at speed), I finally crawled under to see what was up with the rock grate, and this is what I found.

It's really no surprise now that it does what it does. That thing is more of a ramp to LIFT the intake than anything. It does a great job of keeping rocks out... it does a great job at keeping WATER out too! Here's a shot of the intake. Note how flat the front of the intake is.

I'm pretty sure a standard JC/G loader will bolt in, but if anyone local has one I can check fit with I'd appreciate it. It'll probably need a little more bite than other hulls, but if I can just get a handle on it blowing the pump out I'd be happy. BTW, it's not the rear main leaking  :bowdown , it's the intake. On a fe motor, either is a pain to reseal!
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Post Icon Posted: June 18 2007,9:28 am Post # 113 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

The Grate looks like a "Catch22" thing. With it, it adds alot of restriction, but without it, it's going to pump alot of debris through the pump....


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I have an open loader on the Advantage and have not had a problem sucking anything up (knock on wood). I run this in the same stretch of river and don't anticipate any problems, so if a loader helps, I'm all for it. It gets REALLY good mileage though. Can't go over 40, only runs on the primaries (in effect, a 2 barrel carb), and it floats REALLY well! :D
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Floating well is a good thing!!   :good  I don't know much about jets, how does a loader work??


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It directs water up into the impeller. On my Advantage, it is made to direct the water to the top of the impeller to keep it loaded at higher speeds. On this hull, instead of the water flowing past the intake (and starving it for water), I'm hoping it would take some of the water flowing past and direct it up into the impeller. That's the simple explanation... in reality it often takes much more trial and error to make it work effectively.
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So It's Bolt On, Like A Grate, But It Redirects Water without Restricting it....


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Yup. If I can't find one by this weekend, I may just run it without the grate and see if it helps. That grate has a whole lotta metal blocking the intake at speed....
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Well Victor came thru with 2 loaders for me to try. Even better..... Apparently I can't read a calendar properly, and we aren't headed out until NEXT weekend, so I have time to get a few more things done. The boys won't ride in the back anymore ("Slow down...there's nothing to hold on to, and it feels like we're going to fall out"), so it looks like I'll be testing it out solo.
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Here's the first step in my quest for speed (of course I'm kidding) This loader is a open ramp loader that has about 5/8" of bite. Too much? Hell, I don't know... I'll find out next weekend. The other loader is your basic angle iron loader and has even more bite than this one.



For months I have been trying to find a boot to seal the tiller arm to the transom. I found this boot that is made for a Jeep twin stick. The cool part is, it'll make 2 boots... spares are good with something this old

Here's the finished product. I don't know if this is how it looked in 1965, but it looks relatively OEM, and will keep the river out.
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Looks Good!!  :good


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Success! We took the Stevens out yesterday and tried out the loader Vic loaned me. First off, the boot worked GREAT! No water leaks, and it's the first time out I felt comfortable just getting in and driving instead of constantly trying to identify leaks. Nothing worse than water leaks in a flat. The bilge pump is for show only, 'cuz if I have over 1" of water in it (how much it'll take before the pump primes), it's probably going down.
And how did it run? With 4 people in the boat, it unloads... period. I think it may be that 2 in the back lift the bow too much. I took it out solo and then with 1 passenger and it flat hauls. No unloading (except in chop) and runs around 45-4700 rpm. It's a different feeling.... the bow doesn't come up at all. When you nail it, it just goes immediately on plane and accelerates. On shutdown, there's no ill handling, but turning is impossible unless you jump on it again and crank the wheel. It takes a little practice crossing wakes in a flat, too. This one will be the weekday boat, 'cuz there's too much kidney damage driving it on the weekend.
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Sounds like you're getting it all figured out!! Should make for a nice toy!! :good  :good


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